Fate/Sausage Party 

Grand Order

I almost always have Kate at least glance over any articles I write just to get a second set of eyes on them. She is a fairly insightful lady and while our tastes usually align we are different enough that she sees some things I would ordinarily miss. When I wrote my 12 Servants That Need To Be Added to the Fate/Stay Night Universe post I also had it look it over. While Kate might not have any real insight into the Nasuverse and Type-Moon characters she is enough of an aficionado of history and mythology that any comments she has are extremely valuable. While she generally liked the list she did have one major comment. There were hardly any women among my picks.

I thought that was a fair comment and was going to write back a simple answer for that: There are so many female Servants that I wrote up mostly male Servants to even things out. There was no way for Kate to know that as she really only knows the following Servants: Saber, Gilgamesh, and … all the other ones. It seemed an open and shut case. Then I remembered an article I recently read. It said that if a room is filled with 17 percent women the men in the room think the gender balance is 50-50 and a room with 33 percent women will be seen as having more women than men. So that study made want to actually go and see what the gender balance is in the Fate universe when it comes to Servants.

As always some basic rules:

  1. I am only looking at the gender of Servants. Masters and other characters are a separate conversation that is worth having but is a greater question than what I wanted to look at here.
  2. I only used the list of fully spoiled Servants from Fate/Grand Order. There are more characters on the way but I am leaving them out for now. There are enough reveled Servants that I think they can be added to the mix.
  3. I left out some series where all the Servants have not been revealed. So I added in the original story of Fate/Strange Fake and its characters but left out the manga as there are still quite a few unrevealed Servants in that iteration.
  4. I left off the flashback Servants in Fate/Hollow Ataraxia. There are a few Servants seen from the 3rd Holy Grail War in the game but they are so inconsequential that they are not really worth thinking about.
  5. Any games like Fate/Tiger Colosseum and Fate/Unlimited Codes seemed enough like side story material they were not worth factoring in. Plus they don’t really unveil any new characters.
  6. Any character with no gender or an ambiguous gender were thrown into a separate category.

With that said let me drop the numbers on you first:


Fate Grand Order

 

Fate/Grand Order (As of 1/22/2016)

Gender Ambiguous – 1 (1%)

Le Chevalier d’Eon (Saber) – NA

 

Female Servants – 40 (43%)

Artoria Pendragon (Alter) (Lancer) – F

Artoria Pendragon (Saber) – F

Atalanta (Archer) – F

Attila the Hun (Saber) – F

Bonny and Read (Rider) – F

Boudica (Rider) – F

Brynhild (Lancer) – F

Carmilla (Assassin) – F

Elizabeth Bathory (Lancer) – F

Elizabeth Bathory (Caster) – F

Euryale (Archer) – F

Francis Drake (Rider) – F

Frankenstein (Berserker) – F

Jack the Ripper (Assassin) – F

Jing Ke (Assassin) – F

Joan of Arc (Ruler) – F

Joan of Arc Alter (Ruler) – F

Kiyohime (Berserker) – F

Leonardo da Vinci (Caster) – F

Marie Antoinette (Rider) – F

Mashu (Shielder) – F

Mata Hari (Assassin) – F

Medea (Caster) – F

Medea Lily (Caster) – F

Medusa (Rider) – F

Mordred (Saber) – F

Mysterious Heroine X (Assassin) – F

Nero Claudius Caesar Augustus Germanicus (Saber) – F

Nursery Rhyme (Caster) – F

Oda Nobunaga (Archer) – F

Okita Souji (Saber) – F

Saber Alter (Saber) – F

Saber Lily (Saber) – F

Saint Martha (Rider) – F

Santa Alter (Rider) – F

Scathach (Lancer) – F

Stheno (Assassin) – F

Tamamo Cat (Berserker) – F

Tamamo-no-Mae (Caster) – F

Ushiwakamaru (Rider) – F

 

Male – 53 (56%)

Alexander (Rider) – M

Arash (Archer) – M

Arjuna (Archer) – M

Asterios (Berserker) – M

Astolfo (Rider) – M

Caligula (Berserker) – M

Charles Babbage (Caster) – M

Charles-Henri Sanson (Assassin) – M

Cú Chulainn (Caster) – M

Cú Chulainn (Lancer) – M

Cú Chulainn (Prototype) (Lancer) – M

Darius III (Berserker) – M

David (Archer) – M

Diarmuid Ua Duibhne (Lancer) – M

Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde (Assassin) – M

Edward Teach (Rider) – M

EMIYA (Archer) – M

Enkidu (Lancer) – M

Eric Bloodaxe (Berserker) – M

Fergus mac Róich (Saber) – M

Gaius Julius Caesar (Saber) – M

Gilgamesh (Archer) – M

Gilgamesh (Caster) – M

Gilles de Rais (Caster) – M

Gilles de Rais (Saber) – M

Hans Christian Andersen (Caster) – M

Hassan-i-Sabbah (Fate/stay night) (Assassin) – M

Hector (Lancer) – M

Heracles (Berserker) – M

Iskandar (Rider) – M

Karna (Lancer) – M

Lancelot (Berserker) – M

Lancelot (Saber) -M

Leonidas (Lancer) – M

Lu Bu (Berserker) – M

Mephistopheles (Caster) – M

Musashibou Benkei (Lancer) – M

Nikola Tesla (Archer) – M

Ozymandias (Rider) – M

Phantom of the Opera (Assassin) – M

Robin Hood (Archer) – M

Romulus (Lancer) – M

Saint George (Rider) – M

Sakata Kintoki (Berserker) – M

Sasaki Kojirou (Assassin) – M

Siegfried (Saber) – M

Solomon (Caster) – M

Spartacus (Berserker) – M

Vlad III (Berserker) – M

Von Hohenheim Paracelsus (Caster) – M

William Shakespeare (Caster) – M

Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart (Caster) – M

Zhuge Liang (Lord El-Melloi II) (Caster) – M

 

Fate Stay & Hollow

Fate/Stay Night & Fate/Hollow Ataraxia

Female – 3 (30%)

King Arthur- F

Medusa – F

Medea – F

 

Male – 7 (70%)

Cúchulainn – M

Hassan-i Sabbah – M

Heracles – M

Sasaki Kojirō – M

Gilgamesh – M

EMIYA – M

Avenger – M

Fate Zero

Fate/Zero

Female – 1 (14%)
King Arthur – F

 

Male – 6 (86%)

Alexander the Great – M

Diarmuid Ua Duibhne – M

Gilles de Rais – M

Lancelot – M

Hassan-i Sabbah – M

Gilgamesh – M

Fate Apocrypha

Fate/Apocrypha

Female – 6 (37%)

Atalanta – F

Mordred – F

Jack the Ripper – F

Semiramis – F

Frankenstein’s monster – F

Joan of Arc – F

 

Male – 10 (63%)

Chiron – M

Spartacus – M

Shakespeare – M

Solomon ibn Gabirol – M

Karna – M

Vlad III the Impaler – M

Achilles – M

Astolfo – M

Amakusa Shirou Tokisada – M

Sigurd – M

Fate Strange Fake

Original Draft of Fate/strange fake
Gender Ambiguous – 3 (50%)

Enkidu – NA

Pale Rider – NA

Jack the Ripper – NA

 

Female – 1 (17%)

Former Hassan-i Sabbah candidate – F

 

Male – 2 (33%)

Gilgamesh – M

Alexandre Dumas – M

Blue and Silver

Fate/Prototype: Fragments of Blue and Silver

Female – 2 (29%)

Brynhild – F

Hassan of Serenity – F

 

Male – 5 (71%)

King Arthur – M

Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde – M

Arash – M

Ramesses II – M

Paracelsus von Hohenheim – M

 

Fate Extra II

Fate/Extra Series – Fate/Extra + Fate/Extra CCC + the Fate/Extra CCC Fox Tail manga

Female – 13 (54%)

Violet – F

Kingprotea – F

Passionlip – F

Meltlilith – F

Kazuradrop – F

Nursery Rhyme – F

Tamamo-no-Mae – F

Elizabeth Bathory – F

BB – F

Francis Drake – F

Nero Claudius Caesar Augustus Germanicus – F

Suzuka Gozen – F

Arcueid Brunestud – F

 

Male – 11 (46%)

No Name – M

Robin Hood – M

Li Shu Wen – M

Lu Bu – M

Hans Christian Andersen – M

Gilgamesh – M

Cú Chulainn – M

Vlad III the Impaler – M

Karna – M

Gawain – M

Buddha – M

Total

Overall –

Ambiguous – 4 (3%)

Female – 66 (40%)

Male – 94 (56%)

 

Bonus –

Fate Extra Bonus

Fate/Extra Series without the Fox Tail Manga – Fate/Extra + Fate/Extra CCC

Female – 9 (45%)

Passionlip – F

Meltlilith – F

Nursery Rhyme – F

Tamamo-no-Mae – F

Elizabeth Bathory – F

BB – F

Francis Drake – F

Nero Claudius Caesar Augustus Germanicus – F

Arcueid Brunestud – F

 

Male – 11 (55%)

No Name – M

Robin Hood – M

Li Shu Wen – M

Lu Bu – M

Hans Christian Andersen – M

Gilgamesh – M

Cú Chulainn – M

Vlad III the Impaler – M

Karna – M

Gawain – M

Buddha – M


So much for the wisdom of common wisdom.

It is fairly clear that there are far more male than female Servants. 66 to 94 is hardly even a slight discrepancy or bias. In fact the only series that has more female Servants than male Servants is Fate/Extra and only when you throw in the Fate/Extra CCC Fox Tail Manga which only adds female servants. Even with the addition of Suzuka Gozen and three new Alter Egos alter the balance is only slightly in the favor of the female Servants. So it seems a fairly open and shut case.

Now there is the old saying (that I have brought up on the blog several times) about lies, damned lies, and statistics. If we look at merchandise, publicity material, and overall attention Saber alone probably gets more attention than all the other Servants (male or female) combined. And the male Servants who are not named Archer and Gilgamesh are generally ignored and even the popular ones get far less than any minor popular female character. Also the gender swapped Servants get a huge amount of focus. Since all the gender swapped Servants are female in the games it probably gets them even more attention.

I’m not saying this counters the statistics. It just explains why it could be easy to assume there are more female Servants.

What does all of this mean?

  1. There is probably a lot of insight into the fandom from this revelation. As much as the fandom protests about the gender balance they are the ones discussing the Servants and buying the merchandise.
  2. If people feel like male servants need more conversation centered around them it is not like there is no one to choose from.
  3. Gender politics and discussion is filled with prejudices and misconception in general.

So in turn my next post will be a whole new list of historical and fictional women who would make great Servants who don’t have to be gender swapped. I hope it gets people thinking and maybe pushing for interesting new Servants in the process. I think it would help the games and the fandom in general.

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3 thoughts on “Fate/Sausage Party 

  1. Raspin says:

    Comprehensive work – and I know you’ve addressed this, but I can’t help but find some of these charts a wee bit misleading.

    The Fate/Stay Night chart, for instance, gives equal weight to all Servants – despite the fact that Arturia is a central character to all three routes, and Medea is the principle villain for most of two of the routes. By your metric, they’re just as important and relevant as Devil-Hand Hassan, a character who has almost no dialogue and has about three scenes in only one route – or Avenger, a Servant who makes his only appearance in a joke sequel comprised of the fever-dreams of a dying Irishwoman.

    By this logic, a show like RWBY, where all four main characters are women and most of their immediate friends are too, would have a serious problem with its “Male:Female Hunter Student” ratio of 3:2.

    It also seems a bit odd to be counting all the Servants who are literally the same character as separate individuals. Lancelot (Berserker) and Lancelot (Saber) are not different characters. Even in the setting, they’re a recolour… though given the sheer weight of alternate Arturias, I doubt this would have any impact on the actual swing.

    (as a minor note, you’ve counted Enkidu as Male in Grand Order but Ambiguous in Strange Fake – though I don’t know if this is down to the way the game treats him, considering gender is mechanically significant in that game)

    Ultimately, while I totally agree that you’ve got a point, my gripe is less with the quantity of female Servant designs, and more with the quality – thanks in large part to the glut of shitty Grand Order designs. Apocrypha’s not exactly innocent, either, given that its supposed female main character, Jeanne, swiftly has her position co-opted by the blandest blank slate possible and spends the rest of the novel obsessing over dragon-dick.

    I’d take one Arturia or Drake or Medea over a million Ushiwakamarus or Boudicias, is what I’m saying.

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